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Karen ([personal profile] karen2205) wrote2005-06-07 03:25 pm
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Computers again!

Thank you all very much for all your comments yesterday - I'm sorry I've not replied to more of them (I might get to some of them at the weekend).

As a general point - you're all utterly predictable and pedantic:-) BASIC as a programming language of choice was meant to be a throwaway line, not generate tens of comments! And yes, yes, I fully accept it was never a language of choice.

I'm almost certainly going to buy a Mac - I'm looking at the 15" Powerbook (http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/uk_Ind.woa/91009/wo/M51VXW0MuYIu3qXQuGT1DD51QHh/1.0.11.1.0.6.23.1.1.1.1.0.0.1.0) - this is the education store link (enter 'College of Law' and 'London' if it takes you to an entrance screen rather than PowerBook details). I'm still technically a student till my NUS card expires - presumably at the end of August though it doesn't have an expiry date. I guess I might get away with using my ISIC which is valid until the end of December, but I don't think I want to wait that long/chance it.

If I buy from the education store it'll cost me £1 269.00 and I should be able to let the company reclaim the VAT (the ex VAT price is £1 080.00). It has 512MB RAM - upgrading that to 1GB is £91.99. A DVDR/CDRW is another £91.99. An AirPort Express Base station is £82.85 - I'm guessing I'll need something like that eventually though wireless networking isn't all that important when you're living somewhere small enough to run the cables around. An extra battery is another £82.25. Office 2004 is another £109. And now we're getting into silly amounts of extra money, so which extras I should buy now and what I can leave for a while longer? this page lists the software - is there anything here I'm going to need?

[identity profile] rougeforever.livejournal.com 2005-06-07 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh god, that is a beautiful beast. I would love the 17" (as you've probably seen from my journal recently)

[identity profile] cultureofdoubt.livejournal.com 2005-06-07 03:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I get by just fine on 512MB but 1G is certainly the most useful of those upgrades. You can buy a third party wireless base-station to connect to which might be cheaper (especially if you get an 802.11b one - slower, but still faster than broadband). I think we covered the DVDR thing - I'd be surprised if you need one but again, it's no bad thing.

The battery can certainly wait - but don't wait more than a couple of years to pick up a spare or you may run into problems finding one. This happened to me with my old Powerbook but I managed to find one, just. Third party suppliers will probably be able to get you a battery, even if it's not Apple branded, three or four years down the line.

Software: Your PB will come with iLife, so from that list the only thing that might grab your attention is iWork. However, if you're getting Office then iWork is redundant.

[identity profile] mstevens.livejournal.com 2005-06-07 04:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I've got iWork but I'm not really a fan of it (to the point I subsequently bought a copy of Microsoft Word).

[identity profile] weatherpixie.livejournal.com 2005-06-07 03:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't buy an extra battery now unless you actually plan to use two in tandem, as they degrade over time. Get a second one when the first one stops holding a reasonable charge.

A base station would be handy, but its also something that you can invest in later. One thing tho, how does your ADSL currently connect to your PC? Is it a USB modem or a CAT5 one. Is it yours or theirs? Depending on how you connect its worth seeing what support your ISP offers for Macs ...

The ability to write your own CDs is handy for backup purposes. Depends if you really think you need to burn DVDs rather than CDs.

I think that anything you buy will come with iLife and Tiger, So the only software you probably need is right now office and you might get an educational discount with that too...

[identity profile] jc.livejournal.com 2005-06-07 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
The larger the HD, the more stifled you'll be when it comes to backing up large amounts of data. With PowerBook HDs topping 100GB, a backup medium that only offers 650MB per disc will prove inconvenient in the long run. (Gods, and to think I just said "only" 650MB.) I use my internal DVD writer regularly, but whether you opt for one would depend on your long-term needs.
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[personal profile] reddragdiva 2005-06-08 12:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Get the DVD burner. CDs are so small these days. And blank DVDs are 20p each from Dixon's at present. Really, you'll only regret it if you don't.

[identity profile] rougeforever.livejournal.com 2005-06-07 03:28 pm (UTC)(link)
You'll get widgets! And garageband!

(still *jealous*)

[identity profile] editor.livejournal.com 2005-06-07 04:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Have you used a Mac much before? I find them frustratingly sluggish and the UI restrictive and intrusive. Not that I'm saying you're not allowed to want one, but if you're planning to spend that sort of money you want to be very certain.

[identity profile] mstevens.livejournal.com 2005-06-07 04:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I strongly recommend the "go to the apple store and play around a lot" approach.

[identity profile] mstevens.livejournal.com 2005-06-07 04:15 pm (UTC)(link)
The main extra software I can see you buying is something for photo editing, but I know nothing about this because I don't do it.

Apple are switching to Intel CPUs for new machines over the next 2 years (announced yesterday). I can't decide what this says about buying one now (our resident mac geek at work reckons BUY BUY BUY).

[identity profile] mstevens.livejournal.com 2005-06-07 04:42 pm (UTC)(link)
The concern is software availablity for Power based Macs after the next couple of years.

Work-mac-geek reckons it'll be good, due to the vast installed base of Power based Macs, you'd be stupid to make your software unavailable to the majority of your potential customers. It's obviously going to drop off over time though, but it's hard to predict how much how fast.

[identity profile] wintrmute.livejournal.com 2005-06-09 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
*nods*

If you
a) plan to have your laptop for a while (a while being a year or more)
or
b) want to have a decent resale value for your laptop
then you may want to be concerned over Apples new direction.

Buying a Mac right now may be similar to buying a Betamax video system even when you could see into the future.

But hey, the laptop will do what you want it to do now, and won't stop doing that. And in the future you'll still be able to install Linux on it :)

[identity profile] jc.livejournal.com 2005-06-07 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't do much editing, just chopping edges off and resizing to make the files a sensible size to put online.

I believe new PowerBooks still come pre-loaded with a preregistered version of GraphicConverter (http://lemkesoft.de/en/graphcon.htm), which would be more than enough for these needs. The majority of Mac users consider it the most worthy software purchase they've ever made, for the price.
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[identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com 2005-06-07 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd put the extra memory at the top of my list, I think. I have 512MB and it's OK for what I use it for, but it does swap some of the time, so I think it's a safe bet that more RAM would speed things up.

[identity profile] jc.livejournal.com 2005-06-07 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I opted for the single-chip 1GB of RAM, and even running Tiger it still gives me a comfort zone of about 200-300MB, plus the ever-useful option of maxing out the RAM later.

[identity profile] crschmidt.livejournal.com 2005-06-07 06:27 pm (UTC)(link)
That's what Jess got too.

I'm still using 256MB though!

[identity profile] hsenag.livejournal.com 2005-06-07 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I've seen people talking about getting Dells for much less than that - e.g. 610 inc VAT for 1.6ghz pentium m, 15 widescreen LCD, 1gb ram, 60gb hard disk. The above looks rather expensive in comparison.

[identity profile] rougeforever.livejournal.com 2005-06-07 04:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I've had a Dell laptop for work for 3 and a bit years, and actually it's been fine. I do nothing of any interest on it, but I do lug it up and down the country every day, have dropped it a fair few times and it has stood up to daily use for all that time! Ive just had a new fujitsu-siemens model -which doesn't really compare.

[identity profile] hsenag.livejournal.com 2005-06-07 05:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm hearing noises that Dell are getting better, so I'm not sure which way to lean on this one now. But I'd have thought other PC makers could come in quite a long way below the Mac price too, though I'm really not familiar with the market right now.

VMWare is $189, the Cygwin X server seems to be good enough (I've been using it at work for a few weeks now) and is free. It is a geeky solution, but VMWare is solid and easy to use, and it's a good alternative to dual booting.
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[identity profile] jiggery-pokery.livejournal.com 2005-06-07 06:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Woe. There may be no reliably good laptop manufacturers.

Meg gave me this Dell laptop, ooh, nine months ago and I've been very happy with it, though my use is hardly demanding. However, she had problems (had to replace the hard disk twice?) over the two years she had had it beforehand.

I'm inclined to believe that Dell are probably OK - you hear a lot of complaints about them, but in proprtionate terms, probably no more than for any other manufacturer. Data point from close to home if you want it.

[identity profile] mstevens.livejournal.com 2005-06-07 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I've heard nothing but bad things about Dell laptops though. (Their desktop hardware seems perfectly fine, if a little cheaply built).

[identity profile] uon.livejournal.com 2005-06-07 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I've used (oldish) Dell CPx laptops quite a bit at work.

Pro: built like brick shithouses.

Con: weigh about as much.

[identity profile] wintrmute.livejournal.com 2005-06-09 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
Hell, you can get Toshiba's for a little less than that (http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/shop/products2.asp?CategoryID=11&SubCategoryID=70)..

[identity profile] wintrmute.livejournal.com 2005-06-10 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)
What happened to it?

My and my parents' Toshibas have lasted well. Mine has personally been put through vast amounts of unreasonable abuse and still works fine. (I can't remember how old it is, but it's a P3-600 if that gives any indication?)

A colleague with an identical laptop to mine actually had over one year of continuous uptime on his.. Which IMHO is quite amazing to get on any PC, let alone a laptop. (Although I guess having the battery meant it wasn't affected by power outages.)
(Although it was running Linux, so you could upgrade most software without needing to reboot.)

[identity profile] wintrmute.livejournal.com 2005-06-10 03:00 pm (UTC)(link)
How about Acer? Chisel has one that i covert.. AMD 64bit CPU, ATI Radeon 9200 3D card, seems to be built well, feels nice, and has good battery life.

[identity profile] weatherpixie.livejournal.com 2005-06-07 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yes, if you can afford it you might want to look at applecare (extended warrantee thing)
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[personal profile] emma 2005-06-08 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
I would look into getting the RAM from someone other than Apple. I don't know the details of Apple RAM, but I bought a 512mb chip for something like $90 fairly recently, which is a whole lot cheaper than what Apple want to charge you. Crucial.com is good at telling you exactly what kind of RAM you need for the brand of computer you've got, if not necessarily the cheapest place to buy from (newegg.com is where I like to buy from over here, or sometimes Fry's, which doesn't have a decent website and is sort of like PC World, but with less newbie connotations, I think). I can offer my services of buying cheaply from here and bringing back to the UK in August. If you'd be getting a 1gb chip instead of 2x512mbs, then it might be worth going with Apple's option, because that gives you another slot free to add more later (though I can't imagine having more than 1gb right now, with my 768mb!).

I'm twitchy about you buying Office too ;) Is there anyone you know who could, er, provide you with a copy? I'd happily do it, but I only have the Windows version. Software is so expensive. One day I might actually have enough money to be able to buy MS and Adobe products legally...

I'm currently eyeing up a DVD burner. You definitely want a DVD drive, and some method of burning would be very useful. I'd say you need a CD-RW at a minimum. You can currently get external DVD-RWs for £50 though, so have a think about whether you actually want it internal. It's probably more convenient that way, but also more expensive.

[identity profile] wintrmute.livejournal.com 2005-06-09 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
I tend to use http://www.ebuyer.com/ myself - v.cheap, but actually reasonably competant most of the time too.