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Karen ([personal profile] karen2205) wrote2005-07-13 02:48 pm
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Listen very carefully I shall say this only once

I've had this rant a couple of times now - I may as well have it where you can flame me to your heart's content.

On Sunday evening I arrived home to the following email on a semi public mailing list:


This is important!

Please read!

Following the disaster in London . . .

East Anglian Ambulance Service have launched a national "In case of Emergency (
ICE ) " campaign with the support of Falklands war hero Simon Weston.

The idea is that you store the word " I C E " in your mobile phone address book,
and against it enter the number of the person you would want to be contacted "In
Case of Emergency".

In an emergency situation ambulance and hospital staff will then be able to
quickly find out who your next of kin are and be able to contact them. It's so
simple that everyone can do it. Please do.

Please will you also email this to everybody in your address book, it won't take
too many 'forwards' before everybody will know about this. It really could save
your life, or put a loved one's mind at rest.

For more than one contact name ICE1, ICE2, ICE3 etc.


My reply to the list was as follows:

The idea is that you store the word " I C E " in your mobile phone address
book, >and against it enter the number of the person you would want to be
contacted "In >Case of Emergency".

Umm, this would mean that anyone who stole your phone (if you don't lock
your phone/keypad with a PIN) would know that the person listed as ICE is
someone important to you. I don't think that's advisable.

> In an emergency situation ambulance and hospital staff will then be able
to quickly >find out who your next of kin are and be able to contact them.
It's so simple that >everyone can do it. Please do.

'Next of kin' and 'person you want contacted' aren't necessarily the same.
If you use a PIN to lock your phone no one will be able to access the ICE
number *anyway*. If the mobile/landline networks are as congested as they
were on Thursday then access to someone's ICE person isn't going to help.
Calling people has to wait till the telecommunications network isn't quite
so busy.

If you're that concerned about someone being able to work out who to contact
for you in an emergency put their details on a piece of paper in your
purse - use one of Girlguiding UK's emergency details cards if you like.
Alternatively, if you have health problems you'd want a doctor to know about
eg. you're on steriods/have asthma etc. get a Medicalert pendant.

> Please will you also email this to everybody in your address book, it
won't take >too many 'forwards' before everybody will know about this. It
really could save >your life, or put a loved one's mind at rest.

No. There's never a reason to forward any email to 'everyone in your address
book' and if you're going to do it anyway *please* learn how to blind carbon
copy your emails. Something like this will never save someone's life. If
you've medical conditions the doctors treating you need to know about
immediately then get a Medicalert pendant.


And to expand on my rant - http://www.eastanglianambulance.com/content/news/newsdetail.asp?newsID=646104183 where the idea seems to originate is dated April 2005. Therefore, it was not issued as a response to last Thursday's happenings.

I object to the assertion that it can save lives or that it can put loved ones minds at rest. I object to the fact that this must have been written by someone who wasn't in London on 7th and who has no fucking clue of what was going on - the telephone network was congested, ICE contacts wouldn't have helped get information to relatives any faster because no one could get any calls through. I object to the fact that otherwise clueful people are passing this round seemingly without thought as to its merits. And I object to it being presented as a panacea - even if you don't lock your phone/keypad and are prepared to run the risk of your relatives/friends getting crank calls by being listed as your ICE contact, your phone may not be charged, your phone may have been submerged in water or you may not have your phone on you. To be honest, I object in principle to someone starting a chain email in response to the attacks - ffs, people are dead, the self assured, 'everything will be alright' tone grates.

If you're after sensible advice on emergency preparedness I suggest http://www.redcross.org.uk/uploads/documents/PREPARINGspFORspANspEMERGENCY(1).doc or http://www.ukresilience.info/home.htm or http://www.pfe.gov.uk/

[identity profile] new-brunette.livejournal.com 2005-07-14 08:37 am (UTC)(link)
How interesting. Thanks. But in the case of your incapacity, how would they know that you had drawn up the agreement - did it refer to it in your MedicAlert necklace?

I was being (slightly) flippant about the kids. My girlfriend's status is an interesting one, though. We don't yet cohabit - I'd expect Tesco to have a better idea of our relationship status than the State, through analysis of shopping records and mutual clubcard utilisation. So if I'm lying unconscious, they're going to look me up and contact my Dad; lovely guy although he is, he's 200 miles away and has less of a clue than my gf. Unless I carry a MedicAlert necklace or similar.

Or unless I put an ICE contact on my phone. I think that's convinced me... :)

[identity profile] arkady.livejournal.com 2005-07-14 08:47 am (UTC)(link)
I carried a card (didn't have a MedicAlert tag at the time) listing him as the contact number, plus I always carry a pocket diary in my bag that also listed him. If you have something that says a certain person should be contacted in an emergency, the emergency services aren't going to stop and check whether it's a family member or not. The declaration was in case members of my family showed up and caused a fuss.

As it happened, it was actually my eldest daughter (who was only 5 at the time) who told them to call her dad, and even remembered where in my bag I kept the phone number! I actually collapsed in Spar, of all places, on Christmas Eve - I'd only popped out with the girls to get a pint of milk, and it's just as well I did otherwise I would have been at home with just the girls when it happened.

In the case of my incapacity, [livejournal.com profile] reddragdiva is listed as my emergency contact on my MedicAlert necklace, and in the event of it being needed he will go to a solicitor to have the power of attorney registered. That's for dealing with legal and financial matters really; as far as hospitals are concerned if you've been listed as someone's emergency contact they're not going to ask if you're married or blood relation - often they're just glad to have been able to reach someone.

[identity profile] new-brunette.livejournal.com 2005-07-14 08:53 am (UTC)(link)
Wow. I'd assumed that power of attorney was something which you assigned to someone else, rather than them being able to assert it. Or have I got the wrong end of the stick.

And your daughter sounds fantastic - I hope my kids would be that clued, but I'm not sure.

[identity profile] arkady.livejournal.com 2005-07-14 09:01 am (UTC)(link)
There are two types of power of attorney; there's normal power of attorney, which you assign to someone else but instantly becomes null and void in the event of mental incapacity, and enduring power of attorney which you assign someone in advance for the event of incapacity which they then put into power when needed. I suffer from bipolar disorder and have problems dealing with paperwork and financial issues, so Diva helps me by being my representative and handling stressful phone calls. From time to time I experience crushing depression or go into a manic state where I would be termed mentally incapacitated, and that's what the EPA will be on standby for.

Funnily enough, now Dani is 12 going on 13 and her younger sister Kit is 10 going on 11, it's actually Kit who's the sensible one and Dani who's the utter airhead - to quote her dad, she "hasn't got the common sense God gave valley girls"! They've been raised to be smart kids though, and they're both in the Guides.