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Karen ([personal profile] karen2205) wrote2007-03-14 11:13 am

Water/hydration

I'm sure I've rambled about this before, but I've never managed to come up with a good answer to the question of "how much water do I need to drink to stay hydrated?" that's founded on decent science.

Points made include:

'8 glasses of water a day' = 2 pints or so. [More is needed in hot weather, I know]
'coffee + tea + other caffeine containing drinks don't count 'cos they're dehydrating' - how does one make up for this? Do they simply 'not count' or does one drink additional water, on top of the 2 pints, to make for them?
'there's lots of water in some fruit and veg' - can this be deducted from the '8 glasses'?
'thirst isn't a reliable indicator of dehydration, by the time you're thirsty you're already 2% dehydrated'
'urine should be pale & copious'

What points am I missing? How do I coordinate them all into a nice, easy to apply strategy for drinking enough water?

[identity profile] alisoneales.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 11:28 am (UTC)(link)
'coffee + tea + other caffeine containing drinks don't count 'cos they're dehydrating'

Not strictly true. Caffeine is a diuretic, meaning it faffs about with your hormones so that you pee more. But you actually get more fluid from drinking them than you lose through the diuretic quality.

I think if you try to drink 1 1/2 - 2 litres a day you'll be sorted.

[identity profile] vicki-t-veg.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 12:23 pm (UTC)(link)
was just about to say that, ha great minds think alike and all that.
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[personal profile] diffrentcolours 2007-03-14 11:32 am (UTC)(link)
I have a 75cl bottle on my desk which I always keep full of water, and drink whenever it occurs to me to do so (which may or may not be related to thirst). Simple, and works for me.
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[identity profile] yady.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 11:36 am (UTC)(link)
Hm, I always thought 8 glasses was more like 4 pints (200-250 ml glasses)... Especially since the advice in the Netherlands is 'at least 1.5 liter', which comes down to 3 pints, and is considered to be on the low end (2 liter is also advised by some sources).

I usually don't count coffee towards the total, but do count tea. My tea is rather wealker than what is common in the UK though. I don't count soda either (light might count, but I avoid that for different reasons).

I think you can't just subtract fruit and veg from the water you drink, but it does add a little - maybe a quarter of the volume of the fruit/veg if consumed raw?

When you're getting dehydrated, it's not unusual to feel *hungry* first (as a general sign of 'body needs something, specifics not quite clear yet'). So it may be a good idea to drink some water when you feel hungry - if it goes away, it wasn't food you needed ;)

Usually, after having drank about 2 liters of water during the day, I find myself thirsty oin the afternoon/evening, while I am already over the recommended amount. My guess is that the mechanism behind this is something along the lines of my body noticing that water is available in abundance, so it might as well make use of it to get rid of some junk, or something. This is just a theory though.

I find it hard sometimes to tell the difference between thirst and a beginning throatache.

Don't forget to mention that sweating (hot weather and exercise) will make you require more water. 2 or 3 pints on a hot summer day or when you're going to the gym is not enough.
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[identity profile] yady.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 11:47 am (UTC)(link)
Oops, you already mentioned hot weather... missed that...
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[identity profile] yady.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 11:54 am (UTC)(link)
I usually count a pint as half a liter - I bought some pint glasses when I was in the UK and use them for drinking water when I'm at home. I keep track of what I drink in roughly 250 ml (half pint/quarter liter) units.

[identity profile] cultureofdoubt.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 11:43 am (UTC)(link)
'there's lots of water in some fruit and veg' - can this be deducted from the '8 glasses'?

Absolutely! And there's water in other foods too. You can find plenty on this with skillful googling, but Snopes has a decent article.

I'm very much in the drink-when-thirsty school, with more-as-you-fancy it added in which includes PerfDave's 'whenever he feels like it' and doing it to cool down after exercise or when it's hot.

[identity profile] drdoug.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 09:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, thanks for that Snopes article - confirms my long-held suspicions! Drink if you're thirsty, or you fancy it, seems a pretty good metric to me.

[identity profile] ewtikins.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 11:50 am (UTC)(link)
Wikipedia on dehydration.

I find that I will notice my lips getting dry before I notice I am thirsty - I don't always notice thirst, or may mistake it for hunger.

The simplest thing, for me, seems to be to keep some water around all the time - if it's there on my desk/beside my chair/in my bag I'll probably drink it, and if it isn't I may not think to get up and get some. If there isn't filtered water available I usually put a small quantity of squash in it, because I don't like the taste of London water, or just make some non-diuretic herbal tea (some of which is quite drinkable cold). It's somewhat difficult to have too much water if you're sipping regularly and not taking drugs/doing things that mess with electrolyte balance - I've treated UTIs by drinking loads of water and I really start to feel a bit like a fish and that I do not want any more water when I've had more than a few litres in a few hours (so, um, I stop then, and make sure I'm also eating).

Caffeine will make you pee more; I suspect that whether coffee/tea/etc cancels itself out probably depends on how strong it is - strong coffee is a stronger diuretic than weak tea. If you're thirsty, strong coffee is probably not your best option, but I don't think there's much harm in having the odd cup of coffee or tea if you have lots of water available to drink.

[identity profile] ewtikins.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 11:52 am (UTC)(link)
Also, don't worry about the numbers too much - I might need 3L and someone half my size might need 1.8L. Just like recommended calorie intakes, it isn't really exact.

[identity profile] weatherpixie.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 11:53 am (UTC)(link)

[identity profile] rougeforever.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 01:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I find the easiest way to tell if I'm drinking enough (which I never am) is to check the colour of my urine. It's supposed to be a pale straw colour. (Drugs and some health conditions can interfere with this, but on the whole it's a good measure).

I think we get more fluid than we realise from our food - particularly if things like fruit and salad are part of our diet.

[identity profile] clare-s.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I watched an interesting programme on this the other day 2ltrs is the amount of water needed but the majority of this is in the foods we eat. Tea, Coffee and alcohol all count as the net amount is for hydration.

However, if you do want to up your amount have a small 500ml bottle on your desk and aim to drink 1 to mid morning, 1 to lunch, 1 to mid pm and then 1 before home. It's far less daunting than a big bottle
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[personal profile] aldabra 2007-03-14 02:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't believe any of this, where were hunter-gatherers meant to get eight glasses of water a day? I'm told that amount includes the water component of foods, which makes it even more useless, because how are you meant to judge that?

Experiment with what feels good, and keep some to hand. Go easy on soft drinks, which are full of crap to make you thirsty again so you drink more.

[identity profile] jvvw.livejournal.com 2007-03-14 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sure I've read in a couple of places that there's no scientific evidence for the eight glasses a day, though just because I've read it doesn't mean it's true of course.
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[personal profile] ridicully 2007-03-16 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
The most basic formula we use to keep animals hydrated (if they refuse to eat or drink anything but don't lose higher amounts due to diarrhea or vomiting) is 48 ml/kg/d.
I see no reason not to apply this to human beings. The only thing needed to put into acount is the amount of fluid in the things you eat and drink. I seem to remember something about about thes containing about 1-2 litres depending on the kind of food you eat.